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05/12
18:471715507227249739
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McFluffles
Well, I did in fact purchase DS2 yesterday
05/12
18:471715507235559075
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Yato Takoyaki
that would be cruel tea... she should play it
05/12
18:471715507241259337
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McFluffles
Time to finally judge all them internet goers who say "SotFS bad"
05/12
18:471715507251632270
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Yato Takoyaki
05/12
18:471715507251708772
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teamakite
there's been some indie (?) vtuber lately in my recommends, she's... a bit cracked with constant 9-12 hours streams and she started DS2 not too long ago
05/12
18:481715507325415543
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teamakite
also plays retro games a lot too while at it
05/12
18:491715507345713269
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McFluffles
Good taste from the sound of things
05/12
18:491715507346152437
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teamakite
her last DS2 stream was 11 hours long, damn
05/12
18:491715507381735079
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McFluffles
smh can't even finish DS2 in 11 hours
05/12
18:491715507395693413
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McFluffles
...No actually DS2 is one of the longer souls games, isn't it
05/12
18:501715507400647382
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McFluffles
buttloads of bosses
05/12
18:501715507402890673
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Yato Takoyaki
yes
05/12
18:501715507424241451
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teamakite
I guess it is, yeah, but you can skip everything by killing rotten 4 times
05/12
18:501715507426730276
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Yato Takoyaki
if we go by content alone, it's biggest souls game after ER
05/12
18:501715507438098095
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McFluffles
Tru
05/12
18:501715507449296089
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McFluffles
New player is probably not going to do that though
05/12
18:501715507455475432
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teamakite
also she's using UGS
05/12
18:501715507459987665
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McFluffles
Heck, I never do
05/12
18:511715507467507369
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McFluffles
Ultra Based
05/12
18:511715507467988079
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Yato Takoyaki
new players won't even know it's a option
05/12
18:511715507480156586
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teamakite
like from almost start too, I saw her fight ruin sentinels with it
05/12
18:511715507483541831
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Yato Takoyaki
cause game never tells you
05/12
18:511715507495257347
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McFluffles
What would be shortest, maybe Demons Souls?
05/12
18:511715507503005422
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McFluffles
DeS always surprises me how fast it can go by on replays
05/12
18:511715507516613214
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Yato Takoyaki
DeS then DS 3
05/12
18:521715507521584495
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teamakite
first DS is pretty short too imo
05/12
18:521715507523298586
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McFluffles
Technically only 12 "levels", and some of those you can skip through pretty quick
05/12
18:521715507526232783
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McFluffles
Plus no DLC
05/12
18:521715507542952907
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teamakite
if you know what you're doing and skip depths like normal person
05/12
18:521715507555412738
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McFluffles
I never skip depths
05/12
18:521715507567519285
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McFluffles
I gotta beat The Giant Rat That Makes All The Rules
05/12
18:521715507576160816
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McFluffles
Also I want the Large Ember most of the time
05/12
18:521715507578530763
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teamakite
fine
05/12
18:531715507584184210
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Yato Takoyaki
i'm talking from new player perspective after that i never went depths again
05/12
18:531715507593070304
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teamakite
you can dip in for ember and dip out
05/12
18:531715507604112956
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McFluffles
Guess if I beelined a Twinkling Titanite weapon though
05/12
18:531715507615054928
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McFluffles
Then there's pretty much zero reason to go lower burg/depths/blighttown
05/12
18:531715507634127840
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McFluffles
Is there even any twinkling in those areas?
05/12
18:541715507655677871
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McFluffles
Great Hollow I guess means you have to trek across the swamp
05/12
18:541715507656389273
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teamakite
I don't think so
05/12
18:541715507681718833
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McFluffles
Since it has about 12 trillion crystal lizards you won't ever see since they despawn instantly
05/12
18:541715507684110974
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teamakite
I remember a lizard before taurus demon, but that's upper burg
05/12
18:551715507710593565
18:551715507710593565
teamakite
just reload from menu, they will appear again
05/12
18:551715507724300390
18:551715507724300390
McFluffles
I swear sometimes those ones just... don't
05/12
18:551715507754530730
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teamakite
speaking of lizards, DS2 had those exploding ones...
05/12
18:551715507757826332
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teamakite
fun times
05/12
18:561715507768631941
18:561715507768631941
McFluffles
DS2 crystal lizards are the dumbest
05/12
18:561715507770012634
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Yato Takoyaki
05/12
18:561715507800333723
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McFluffles
But DS2 ones will just despawn automatically after certain amount of time even if you're beating it up
05/12
18:561715507818464161
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McFluffles
And because lolDS2cameraAndHitboxes half the weapons will lock on then swing right over them
05/12
18:571715507870212534
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teamakite
sounds like a skill issue
05/12
18:581715507892222067
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Blake [Takonezu]
i see takos talking about Souls games, based
05/12
18:581715507913821273
18:581715507913821273
McFluffles
Always Blake, always comes back to Souls
05/12
18:581715507914399537
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teamakite
it's either monhun, persona, yakuza or souls these days
05/12
18:581715507929582303
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teamakite
silksong doko
05/12
18:581715507931921055
18:581715507931921055
McFluffles
Well, we could talk about Noita if I can convince you all to play it
05/12
18:591715507941455649
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McFluffles
Only takes about 200 hours to finish your first run
05/12
18:591715507958032822
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Yato Takoyaki
real skill issue is me not knowing you can burn random windmill to stop poison from pouring in that tower (what were they thinking?)
05/12
18:591715507977744590
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McFluffles
IIRC there's a summon who points it out, but yeah, DS2 Game Design
05/12
18:591715507996688846
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teamakite
I would never know if I didn't read a comment about it randomly
05/12
19:001715508035089657
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McFluffles
At least they provide you an option for the boss anyways if you don't know about burning to get rid of poison
05/12
19:001715508040170764
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McFluffles
Just summon the Jester, he'll solo
05/12
19:001715508053929598
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teamakite
summoning npcs? ew
05/12
19:011715508065640560
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Yato Takoyaki
ewww
05/12
19:011715508065757239
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teamakite
(DS2 also forces you to summon npc to progress their questlines)
05/12
19:011715508095497926
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McFluffles
I usually just summon Lucatiel for Flexile Sentry at least
05/12
19:011715508107458002
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Yato Takoyaki
and said NPC have to survive boss fight, fun (it's borderline impossible for some bosses)
05/12
19:021715508165779260
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McFluffles
Then either Bonfire Aesetics, or maybe The Rotten/Lost Sinner depending on mood
05/12
19:031715508185051028
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McFluffles
As for Jugo, don't even remember what you can summon him for really other than Giant Lord
05/12
19:031715508197226981
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Jabber, The Thunder Emperor, Leviathan of the Void
Yaaaatooooo
05/12
19:041715508259075613
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teamakite
I will break this discussion for an announcement, Shadow the Hedgehog is a bit... uh, there's a guy who remixes Generations tracks with "All of Me" and it's mad funny
05/12
19:041715508283355393
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McFluffles
Shadow remixes are always funny
05/12
19:041715508291283048
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McFluffles
Because his songs are just so ridiculous
05/12
19:051715508302212275
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Yato Takoyaki
Jabbbbbbber
05/12
19:051715508306973812
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teamakite
and he posts them as "Sonic x Shadow Generations" OST
05/12
19:051715508322815294
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McFluffles
I AM ALL I AM ALL I AM~
05/12
19:051715508356590285
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McFluffles
I can't wait to see if Biboo gets Shadow the Hedgehog perms and actually plays it, that'll be some WILD streams
05/12
19:061715508382606768
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McFluffles
And by wild, I mean Full Gamer Rage
05/12
19:061715508402655524
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teamakite
she's gonna do all 11, was it, routes?
05/12
19:071715508459787599
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Yato Takoyaki
actually Magni played Shadow the Hedgehog , so Holo should still have perms
05/12
19:071715508462127524
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McFluffles
Probably, I don't think she even realizes there are routes
05/12
19:081715508481546539
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McFluffles
So we'll get to see her find out "wait I have to beat this that many times?"
05/12
19:081715508488101146
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Yato Takoyaki
yeah there are plenty of routes based on the objective you are doing
05/12
19:081715508510564792
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McFluffles
IIRC you really just have to beat every stage 2-3 times, for each possible route
05/12
19:081715508523439445
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McFluffles
But there are in fact names for every single possible route, and it's absolutely silly
05/12
19:081715508529511148
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Yato Takoyaki
like in very first level you can either kil* demons... or police
05/12
19:091715508563493069
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McFluffles
There we go found post, there's 326 routes
05/12
19:091715508576744017
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Yato Takoyaki
05/12
19:091715508598639113
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McFluffles
With such names as "Punishment, Thy Name is Ruin" or "I Know the Will of Heaven"
05/12
19:101715508620858669
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Yato Takoyaki
what were devs on when they made this game
05/12
19:101715508622779815
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McFluffles
"Darkness' Strongest Soldier"
05/12
19:101715508630300844
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teamakite
sounds like something Shadow would say
05/12
19:101715508633167693
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McFluffles
"Founding of the Robot Nation"
05/12
19:101715508642742964
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McFluffles
"Funeral Procession in Space"
05/12
19:101715508650855242
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McFluffles
Seriously it's some top tier chunni
05/12
19:151715508939484209
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McFluffles
...Hades II, what is this ost track title recommendation
05/12
19:151715508940544424
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Yato Takoyaki
Oh Ririka doing birthday call ins
05/12
19:171715509075742483
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McFluffles
...Wait I was under the impression Hades II was Epic Exclusive like the first one to start, it isn't?
05/12
19:181715509084983093
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McFluffles
Please no there goes more of my wallet
05/12
19:191715509170122749
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Yato Takoyaki
Hades 2 is on steam, just still in EA (probably will be there for a while)
05/12
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McFluffles
I mean despite EA it's apparently really big anyways, so might just play now
05/12
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McFluffles
And how can I NOT buy a soundtrack with such hit songs as " I Am Gonna Claw (Out Your Eyes then Drown You to Death)"
05/12
19:211715509311371072
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teamakite
I will break the conversation again, sorry, but I must
05/12
19:221715509379534728
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teamakite
I saw a video of a game from some meme account, it's cat driving a car... I got curious and checked it out, takes like 5 minutes to complete
05/12
19:231715509393163347
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teamakite
weirdest experience I've had
05/12
19:231715509412019982
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McFluffles
What's the game? Now I'm interested
05/12
19:231715509416098303
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teamakite
Nip for Speed
05/12
19:231715509436336627
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teamakite
it's on itch io
05/12
19:241715509458723487
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McFluffles
05/12
19:241715509467457989
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McFluffles
Will check it out... probably tomorrow, I gotta sleep
05/12
19:241715509478011527
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teamakite
you will forget
05/12
19:261715509594706336
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McFluffles
Tab be open for it
05/12
19:261715509607665843
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McFluffles
And I now live in a world where I have less than 3000 tabs, so I can't forget
05/12
19:261715509616888126
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McFluffles
Anyways, gnite Takos
05/12
19:271715509626175269
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teamakite
fine, I'll ask you later
05/12
19:271715509630801901
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teamakite
good night Fluffles
05/12
19:311715509918403998
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Yato Takoyaki
Good night Fluffles
05/12
19:341715510065838576
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Blake [Takonezu]
nit Fluffles
05/12
19:361715510187814910
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Arc Looper
cya Fluffles /
05/12
19:361715510190223734
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Mroziu 666
nit Fluffles
05/12
19:361715510214285720
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Arc Looper
honestly, I appreciate Hades 2's EA being actual EA, if that makes sense
05/12
19:381715510288512269
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Arc Looper
a bunch of companies use EA kind of like a sales pitch/excuse for issues the game may have but it's pretty much the release state already
05/12
19:381715510323437165
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Yato Takoyaki
05/12
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Arc Looper
with Hades 2 the game seems to play really well already but they have some spots where they're very upfront about the work being incomplete, like placeholder arts and such
05/12
19:421715510527993625
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teamakite
oh btw Arc I understood what you said about memories a bit earlier... I haven't managed to listen to ost properly last night
05/12
19:431715510587782237
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Arc Looper
yup
05/12
19:471715510856223803
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Arc Looper
no pressure but if you don't finish that dungeon fast, you're a monster
05/12
19:471715510875493184
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teamakite
sir I'm doing on the first day it's available
05/12
19:481715510887254375
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Yato Takoyaki
as you should
05/12
19:481715510915779158
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Arc Looper
humu humu, it's the only acceptable way of doing that dungeon
05/12
19:481715510916876185
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teamakite
my fox link is at lvl 9, I will throw money at SP restoration each floor (I did this for 2 last dungeons anyway)
05/12
19:491715510950953197
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Arc Looper
did your party comp end up changing or is it still Yukiko Chie Kanji?
05/12
19:491715510965250685
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Yato Takoyaki
stonks yip yip
05/12
19:491715510974839798
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teamakite
I'm using Teddie as buffer instead of Kanji rn
05/12
19:501715511021644510
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Arc Looper
huh that's an unexpected swap, but I'm not against some Teddie appreciation
05/12
19:501715511034252844
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Arc Looper
legit think he's underrated
05/12
19:501715511038158601
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teamakite
I like Teddie actually
05/12
19:501715511051737724
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Yato Takoyaki
Teddie is actually a amazing support character
05/12
19:511715511062008658
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Arc Looper
ayy
05/12
19:511715511070164369
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Yato Takoyaki
party wide Atk and Def up + heals
05/12
19:511715511083167796
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Yato Takoyaki
and his magic isn't terrible either
05/12
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Arc Looper
true but I mean as a character too, not just the gameplay side
05/12
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Arc Looper
he has a lot of haters the poor boy
05/12
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Yato Takoyaki
people hate him cause of his voice ... and puns
05/12
19:521715511135198365
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Yato Takoyaki
i do agree he is overhated
05/12
19:521715511144985002
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Arc Looper
but the puns are great! can't bear to see him get hated for them
05/12
19:521715511153919054
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Yato Takoyaki
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Arc Looper
we may be a biased fanbase on that regard though lol
05/12
19:521715511171844265
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teamakite
would this hand stop dodging my megidolaons please
05/12
19:531715511232208150
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teamakite
and it escaped after eating 100 sp from mc, thanks
05/12
19:541715511243498796
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Arc Looper
classic hand experience
05/12
19:541715511258075312
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Arc Looper
well it didn't give any exp since it ran though
05/12
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Arc Looper
sorry, entered pun mode here
05/12
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teamakite
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teamakite
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teamakite
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Arc Looper
ouchie ouch
05/12
20:031715511796481748
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teamakite
I got deathbound skill card, it's so over for mobs now
05/12
20:051715511913036266
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Arc Looper
phys
05/12
20:051715511924275532
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Arc Looper
btw what's your level?
05/12
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teamakite
55 rn
05/12
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teamakite
a tad underleveled, I think I was supposed to be 55 at the last boss, but I was 51
05/12
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Yato Takoyaki
might want to grind up a bit, boss hit like a truck
05/12
20:061715512005320406
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teamakite
yeah I will get to 65 before boss
05/12
20:071715512067303923
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Arc Looper
65 sounds good for the boss yeah
05/12
20:091715512177872396
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teamakite
thanks for free charge Rise
05/12
20:171715512663083382
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Arc Looper
back in my time we didn't get navigator buffs
05/12
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Mroziu 666
Alatreon slain
05/12
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Arc Looper
gratz!
05/12
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mysha 【ミシャ】
Morning takos
05/12
20:241715513092680342
20:241715513092680342
Mroziu 666
Mysha
05/12
20:271715513247810485
20:271715513247810485
Arc Looper
mysha /
05/12
20:311715513482576188
20:311715513482576188
Mroziu 666
Fatalis unlocked
05/12
20:351715513721068250
20:351715513721068250
Arc Looper
also the CR cup is happening right now
05/12
20:361715513762907716
20:361715513762907716
Arc Looper
Botan is doing a mirror stream, Towa and Aki are participating
05/12
21:071715515652496424
21:071715515652496424
Yato Takoyaki
Fatalis
05/12
21:071715515657765365
21:071715515657765365
Yato Takoyaki
hi musha
05/12
21:071715515673913031
21:071715515673913031
Yato Takoyaki
hi mysha
05/12
21:361715517365794846
21:361715517365794846
Yato Takoyaki
Fluffles summone Hades 2: (room is up)
05/12
21:361715517405805454
21:361715517405805454
Fanatsky
crows are freackin mad
05/12
21:371715517422371125
21:371715517422371125
Fanatsky
start to slam something metal on balcony somewhere around 5-6 am
05/12
21:371715517431377294
21:371715517431377294
Arc Looper
Fana /
05/12
21:371715517459104359
21:371715517459104359
Arc Looper
I guessed it too! kinda!
05/12
21:391715517554913565
21:391715517554913565
Mroziu 666
Fana
05/12
21:391715517563980246
21:391715517563980246
Yato Takoyaki
Fana =w=)/
05/12
21:391715517595074875
21:391715517595074875
ᵈᵉⁿᶻᵃʲ
room up
05/12
21:401715517607393039
21:401715517607393039
Mroziu 666
05/12
21:411715517694947788
21:411715517694947788
Mroziu 666
Denzaj
05/12
21:421715517765510262
21:421715517765510262
ᵈᵉⁿᶻᵃʲ
Mroziu
05/12
21:501715518230071679
21:501715518230071679
Satyrikal
05/12
21:501715518237757599
21:501715518237757599
Satyrikal
oooh, hades 2
05/12
21:551715518552121595
21:551715518552121595
Mroziu 666
Satyr
05/12
21:561715518569542504
21:561715518569542504
Yato Takoyaki
Satyr
05/12
21:561715518618768486
21:561715518618768486
x[PAIN]_[PANGO]x
Hai everyone
05/12
21:571715518669064840
21:571715518669064840
Arc Looper
denz, Satyr, Pango /
05/12
21:581715518685048817
21:581715518685048817
Yato Takoyaki
Pango, Denz
05/12
21:581715518694050296
21:581715518694050296
ᵈᵉⁿᶻᵃʲ
Arc
05/12
21:581715518700323333
21:581715518700323333
ᵈᵉⁿᶻᵃʲ
Yato
05/12
21:581715518713025864
21:581715518713025864
x[PAIN]_[PANGO]x
Hai Yato, Mroziu, Satyr, Arc, denzaj. Tea
05/12
21:581715518725604579
21:581715518725604579
ᵈᵉⁿᶻᵃʲ
PANGO
05/12
21:591715518790754307
21:591715518790754307
mysha 【ミシャ】
05/12
22:021715518929468870
22:021715518929468870
Mroziu 666
Pango
05/12
22:021715518942470294
22:021715518942470294
x[PAIN]_[PANGO]x
mysha
05/12
22:111715519461578277
22:111715519461578277
El Ross
'might actually watch it
05/12
22:111715519470721690
22:111715519470721690
Yato Takoyaki
hi Ross
05/12
22:121715519525432529
22:121715519525432529
Mroziu 666
Ross
05/12
22:121715519525964935
22:121715519525964935
Arc Looper
Ross /
05/12
22:151715519711975757
22:151715519711975757
x[PAIN]_[PANGO]x
Hai El Ross
05/12
22:311715520713081173
22:311715520713081173
Satyrikal
ina on polka stream?
05/12
22:321715520762965345
22:321715520762965345
Yato Takoyaki
she is
05/12
22:341715520851999803
22:341715520851999803
Arc Looper
oh!
05/12
22:341715520875269501
22:341715520875269501
Yato Takoyaki
Ina gone
05/12
22:341715520885833283
22:341715520885833283
Yato Takoyaki
at least she got cookies tho
05/12
22:341715520892495326
22:341715520892495326
Raiu雷雨
cute
05/12
22:351715520940464360
22:351715520940464360
Yato Takoyaki
Raiu
05/12
22:371715521052601438
22:371715521052601438
Raiu雷雨
Yato
05/12
22:391715521147895229
22:391715521147895229
Arc Looper
Raiu /
05/12
22:391715521198162980
22:391715521198162980
Raiu雷雨
Arc
05/12
22:421715521333781163
22:421715521333781163
x[PAIN]_[PANGO]x
Hai Raiu
05/12
22:441715521473584116
22:441715521473584116
Spud Tako
what did i miss in the waiting room pre chat ? *wake up with one half shut *
05/12
22:451715521501533875
22:451715521501533875
Yato Takoyaki
Ina saying that she will not sell any boon
05/12
22:451715521559079505
22:451715521559079505
Yato Takoyaki
Spud
05/12
22:461715521615041008
22:461715521615041008
Raiu雷雨
Spud
05/12
22:471715521627874953
22:471715521627874953
Mroziu 666
Spud
05/12
22:471715521628842175
22:471715521628842175
Satyrikal
playing city skylines... watamayor
05/12
23:111715523114884349
23:111715523114884349
Spud Tako
nrhd
05/12
23:121715523142086675
23:121715523142086675
Spud Tako
raiu , yato , mr o , raiu , saty
05/12
23:331715524415570139
23:331715524415570139
Arc Looper
Spud /
05/12
23:411715524861325442
23:411715524861325442
Arc Looper
Wawa starting Dragon's Dogma II
05/12
23:461715525184663234
23:461715525184663234
69Ronin !
メンバーシップ入り:Otako
05/12
23:581715525918606758
23:581715525918606758
Satyrikal
I have no idea what's going on in haachama stream... taranchagoo?