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1 07月11日
00:01:05		 　 Ilove Myself vestie lets just streaming our vespa and maglord og and cover for now and wait for them
2 07月11日
00:05:08		 　 LorckFrak Don't mind me, just dusting off the altar and waking the old Gods to make Gramps (and Magni) return sooner
3 07月11日
00:08:20		 　 Aka mA
4 07月11日
00:08:47		 　 geebah we need gramps and his cool cousin
5 07月11日
00:08:58		 　 ChiLLver🍤
6 07月11日
00:09:53		 　 E7
7 07月11日
00:11:51		 　 Allatou Nyx Ganbatte, Vesties and Magmites! This is a dark time for all of us, but we'll get through this and so will they. Take care, everyone.
8 07月11日
00:13:49		 　 Gaël V I'm just relieved we got news about them so I can stop worrying that something really bad happened, hoping that everything is fine for Magni and Ves
9 00:00:00 　 Zendero
10 07月11日
00:43:20		 　 Simple wait, what news, i missed it
11 07月11日
00:43:53		 　 Simple found it
12 07月11日
00:47:29		 　 Simple Judging by the announcement, they weren't bonked, but something else
13 07月11日
00:57:14		 　 Gaël V I'm gonna assume there's a power outage and they're saving their phone battery for emergencies or something like that
14 07月11日
01:00:34		 　 橘吉良／Tachibana Kira At least now there is a formal update from holopro, I will patiently wait for their return.
15 07月11日
01:12:20		 　 Weeaboo Jones Leader said don't go asking other members about what is happening. Let's please trust them and respect their privacy
16 07月11日
01:15:03		 　 Simple that should be a given
17 07月11日
01:25:02		 　 Ved What's the word?
18 07月11日
01:31:07		 　 Ved Oh IC. That's . . . worrying.
19 07月11日
01:32:13		 　 Simple yea....
20 07月11日
01:33:49		 　 KayKay Altare said that the two are taking a "short" break, the rest of Tempus doesn't know much, and what they do know, they're keeping to themselves out of privacy concerns.
21 07月11日
01:34:19		 　 Ved I'm not good at parsing COVER corporate lingo but doesn't seem to be a suspension.
22 07月11日
01:35:39		 　 KayKay I agree. Last time they made it clear that it was a suspension and they gave a time frame. This one is completely different.
23 07月11日
01:36:57		 　 KayKay I have some vague theories but won't elaborate because "speculation". I just hope they're both safe and healthy
24 07月11日
01:37:45		 　 Ved Somebody said possible security leak which is . . . very plausible.
25 07月11日
01:38:13		 　 Ved The more fun theory is that MagniXVesper happened and now they're opening a Victorian B&B together.
26 07月11日
01:38:31		 　 Ved And Yagoo is trying to recover lost employees.
27 07月11日
01:38:39		 　 un
28 07月11日
01:38:53		 　 Ved That second one gave me a chuckle.
29 07月11日
01:40:33		 　 KayKay I'm still gonna cry about it though
30 07月11日
01:46:06		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Bruh I just saw the announcement. Hope both are okay.
31 07月11日
01:47:14		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar since both are out of action together, it may be issues they cannot disclose for their own good.
32 07月11日
01:48:33		 　 Simple I hope they weren't harassed or stalked
33 07月11日
01:48:53		 　 KayKay There seem to be some privacy concerns (read upthread if you can)
34 07月11日
01:48:58		 　 Ved I guess I shouldn't speculate here.
35 07月11日
01:50:22		 　 Ved No, no, that's a guess from a Reddit thread.
36 07月11日
01:50:39		 　 Ved I just think it's plausible because it would explain why both would be affected.
37 07月11日
01:50:59		 　 Ved Despite working remotely. If they were in contact then just by association a security breach would affect both.
38 07月11日
01:51:12		 　 Salttea Fantôme please be ok
39 07月11日
01:51:16		 　 Ved And Vesper had tech issues the other week.
40 07月11日
01:51:22		 　 Ved But I can't know that for sure.
41 07月11日
01:51:56		 　 KayKay I hope that isn't the case
42 07月11日
01:52:14		 　 KayKay Vesper would be really rattled by it, I think.
43 07月11日
01:53:35		 　 KayKay oh, when I said "privacy concerns" I meant what Altare said. that's all the official information we have rn.
44 07月11日
01:54:36		 　 Simple Ahh, if its what Altare said, then that was more so along the lines of "I don't know, and I won't know, because its their private matters" kinda deal
45 07月11日
01:54:38		 　 Ved Well yeah, but that's a given.
46 07月11日
02:02:47		 　 ハザクラHazakura just hoping that they're okay
47 07月11日
02:03:57		 　 ハザクラHazakura and better not read the comments on the official announcement, because it's already plagued by doomsayers now
48 07月11日
02:07:19		 　 KayKay I just block all the antis
49 07月11日
02:08:47		 　 Ved Probably isn't any doom.
50 07月11日
02:09:02		 　 ハザクラHazakura yea blocking them is the best action if you happen to see one
51 07月11日
02:09:10		 　 Ved Somebody versed in lawyer-corpo speak says it doesn't read that way, so it's probably a minor issue.
52 07月11日
02:10:44		 　 ハザクラHazakura as far as I can remember Cover never....cover up suspensions (or anything worse) in their announcement so yeah
53 07月11日
02:11:09		 　 poliutko well minor things won't result in an official statement, but let's hope it's not something really serious
54 07月11日
02:11:37		 　 Ved Oh it can if two talents fall into radio silence for no reason, so you're kind of forced to say somethng.
55 07月11日
02:12:05		 　 poliutko I just hope that guys themselves are ok, everything else is not that important
56 07月11日
02:13:20		 　 ハザクラHazakura poliutko, that's my concern too but let's not speculate too much
57 07月11日
02:14:08		 　 ハザクラHazakura most neutral guess is they're not in the position to post on their own accounts so company had to do it
58 07月11日
02:14:27		 　 poliutko I won't speculate at all, I'll just sit in the corner sobbing and wait for Ves to return
59 07月11日
02:14:43		 　 Ved Both got new models and both recently had tech issues, so I think it's really just that.
60 07月11日
02:15:47		 　 poliutko how new models can be a reason for stopping them from using twitter?
61 07月11日
02:16:46		 　 Ved I didn't undestand why people though so highly of Yagoo.
62 07月11日
02:16:51		 　 poliutko too many possibilities, no reason to fantasize
63 07月11日
02:17:10		 　 Ved But now I kind of see why. The backend security on Cover is pretty rigorous and has a ton of humans at each step.
64 07月11日
02:17:14		 　 ハザクラHazakura lemme sob with you moderately, I don't want to worry to much but I still need to sob
65 07月11日
02:17:18		 　 Ved He doesn't cut corners.
66 07月11日
02:17:37		 　 poliutko sure, let's sob together
67 07月11日
02:17:45		 　 KayKay
68 07月11日
02:17:59		 　 ハザクラHazakura well, Cover was a tech company before stepping into the vtuber business, from what I read
69 07月11日
02:18:39		 　 Ved That's it exactly. But a lot of . . . supbpar businessmen and engineers aren't even good at that necessarily.
70 07月11日
02:18:56		 　 Ved Some people still treat machine learning and algorithms like sorcery.
71 07月11日
02:19:18		 　 Ved So they automate what shouldn't be. And security's weakest link is always humans.
72 07月11日
02:19:43		 　 Ved But he doesn't cut corners on the manpower because it'd be easy.
73 07月11日
02:19:51		 　 poliutko you breached covers security?
74 07月11日
02:20:22		 　 Ved No, just speculation, just going for my comp sci masters, so it's a subject I think about a lot.
75 07月11日
02:20:31		 　 poliutko so many "what if"s, it's just a fairy tail at this point
76 07月11日
02:20:46		 　 Ved Also fairly Boomer like most of Vesper's audience, so I think about these things in a sociological way as a result.
77 07月11日
02:21:03		 　 Ved Too many people are slaves to their tools and do without thinking.
78 07月11日
02:21:51		 　 poliutko maybe this is the reason, maybe something else, maybe exactly opposite, who knows
79 07月11日
02:21:55		 　 Ved "Move fast and break things" is a way too common mentality for Silicon Valley.
80 07月11日
02:25:01		 　 ハザクラHazakura ngl it's kinda reassuring to see a more technical perspective on this thing
81 07月11日
02:25:24		 　 Ved I'm not an expert, it's just more of a philosophy and outlook I developed over time.
82 07月11日
02:25:32		 　 poliutko as long as Ves himself is ok I'll be ok with whatever
83 07月11日
02:25:48		 　 Ved And as I'm quick to say, it's speculation. I'm not clairvoyant.
84 07月11日
02:26:35		 　 Ved I think the chances either has come to any harm are low though.
85 07月11日
02:26:47		 　 ハザクラHazakura there are so many possibilities, and knowing that tech issue could be one of it is better than dwelling on the worse ones
86 07月11日
02:27:41		 　 ハザクラHazakura and yeah since both are affected the chances for something health related is quite...low ,I should say?
87 07月11日
02:28:08		 　 poliutko hopefully
88 07月11日
02:28:21		 　 Ved Stats brain, blah.
89 07月11日
02:28:36		 　 ハザクラHazakura understandable to be worried, though. I do too. we vesties are just worrywart crybabies
90 07月11日
02:28:37		 　 Ved Okay, while it's not impossible both were hurt, I don't think it's likely.
91 07月11日
02:28:46		 　 wonderbread yo what happend why he hasnt stream?
92 07月11日
02:29:06		 　 fluxquanta We're just little guys.
93 07月11日
02:29:16		 　 Ved They both stream from different locations so you'd expect a related incident to share similar "epidemeology."
94 07月11日
02:30:51		 　 Ved And V-Tubers notoriously don't go outside.
95 07月11日
02:31:11		 　 Ved So it'd be too weird if something physical happened to them both at the same time. No guarantee, just seems unlikely.
96 07月11日
02:31:36		 　 Ved And now you see how the inside of my brain works.
97 07月11日
02:31:42		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @wonderbread for some reason vesper and magni cannot stream thats all we know
98 07月11日
02:31:48		 　 KayKay @wonderbread all we know is that he and Dez are on a break for an undetermined time and that the Tempus boys don't know much (and can't share what they do know)
99 07月11日
02:32:16		 　 Ved What we do know links them is that they're social over the internet and work for the same company, which would share the same protocols affecting both.
100 07月11日
02:32:24		 　 Ved Hence.
101 07月11日
02:33:29		 　 wonderbread damn i wonder what happend to make both of them not stream
102 07月11日
02:33:35		 　 poliutko or maybe this has nothing to do with anything, etc etc
103 07月11日
02:33:37		 　 wonderbread very weird
104 07月11日
02:34:09		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i think.logistical kerfuffle
105 07月11日
02:34:23		 　 Ved Bingo.
106 07月11日
02:34:27		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar like missing equipment or bags containing their streaming devices
107 07月11日
02:34:51		 　 ハザクラHazakura if anything, magnations said that Magni has ingrown toenail that he need to take care of
108 07月11日
02:35:19		 　 ハザクラHazakura but that's all we know
109 07月11日
02:35:20		 　 Ved Sure, but talents are pretty upfront about taking a hiatus because of surgery.
110 07月11日
02:35:22		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeah i came to know this today as well. THIS CREATES A NEW HEADCANON NOW
111 07月11日
02:35:31		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar MAGNI IS COLLABING WITH TOEBRO
112 07月11日
02:35:41		 　 Ved Or "personal vacations" at any rate.
113 07月11日
02:35:58		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeh
114 07月11日
02:36:21		 　 Ved Anyway, I probably should stop, my brain doing things like this indelicately gets me in trouble.
115 07月11日
02:36:39		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar np
116 07月11日
02:36:50		 　 ハザクラHazakura my headcanon rn, grandpa is trying to operate Magni's toenail using his spear
117 07月11日
02:37:07		 　 Ved I like prying into things I shouldn't, so it gets interpreted as emotional callousness or me trying to prove I'm smart.
118 07月11日
02:37:17		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar they got caught by medical authorities and now are on the run
119 07月11日
02:37:25		 　 ハザクラHazakura take care, Ved. take a break from internet if you need to
120 07月11日
02:37:56		 　 Ved Oh I'll hang around and chat, just probably shouldn't speculate about the announcement. Just point out it's probably nothing.
121 07月11日
02:38:08		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I really hope vesper is ok. he is a lot older than me but our tastes align really really much. same with shinri
122 07月11日
02:38:44		 　 Ved Yeah, guess I was expecting somebody to try and roleplay the snooty standoffish kuudere scholar at debut.
123 07月11日
02:38:46		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i often get called "old man in a youngsters body" by my colleagues.
124 07月11日
02:38:51		 　 ハザクラHazakura as long as you're not passing the speculations outside and claiming it to be fact, I think you're fine. this chat isn't saved anyway
125 07月11日
02:38:52		 　 Earthzooka I personally just treat this as a nothing burger until further announcement. I'm sure both of them wouldn't want us to worry about them either.
126 07月11日
02:39:11		 　 Earthzooka At least, not obsessively.
127 07月11日
02:39:17		 　 KayKay unfortunately for them, worrying is in my blood
128 07月11日
02:39:21		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeah
129 07月11日
02:39:35		 　 Ved Here's the thing, as you get older, you don't really turn into an old man.
130 07月11日
02:40:01		 　 Ved A lot of the 30+ streamers I follow, who I won't name just feel relatable me and we don't really think of ourselves as "old."
131 07月11日
02:40:19		 　 poliutko I'm roughly about the same age as Ves
132 07月11日
02:40:26		 　 Ved Because we had some of the same childhoods growing up, sharing our interests just feels like we never grew up.
133 07月11日
02:40:38		 　 Ved It's just the outside world reminds us of that fact from time-to-time.
134 07月11日
02:40:48		 　 Ved And we're like . . . oh right. We're Boomers now.
135 07月11日
02:41:19		 　 poliutko the bad thing about speculations is that someone will take it as reality no matter how many times you state that it's a speculation, so I prefer keeping it to myself
136 07月11日
02:41:19		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeah. prior to watching HL and HS I used to watch this person called Impulse SV and XisumaVoid. all grown mature men with enthusiasm and energy of kids.
137 07月11日
02:41:28		 　 Ved Stuff like playing WoW wasn't a respectable "adult" thing at the time.
138 07月11日
02:41:42		 　 Ved And Harry Potter was for kids. You get my point.
139 07月11日
02:41:56		 　 poliutko oh yeah, LOOK WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!
140 07月11日
02:42:27		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar speaking of books what was the first novel u guys ever read
141 07月11日
02:42:33		 　 poliutko it's like that with every generation imo, classic "kids this days"
142 07月11日
02:42:51		 　 Ved Good question. Hard to say, but the first fantasy series to have an impact on me was Earthsea.
143 07月11日
02:43:01		 　 Ved "Wizard of Earthsea" was my first real "novel" I cared about.
144 07月11日
02:43:09		 　 Ved Maybe that and the Drizzt books. (Aging myself here.)
145 07月11日
02:43:43		 　 Earthzooka The only book I've read that wasn't school's homework was Harry Potter 3, and I didn't even finished that book.
146 07月11日
02:43:47		 　 Ved Wizard of Earthsea was a hard read for a middle schooler at the time.
147 07月11日
02:43:52		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar My first book was 48 by some british author. turns out having a kid of 9 read book with death cults and a lot of shrex isnt the best decision
148 07月11日
02:44:11		 　 Ved I disagree, but eh.
149 07月11日
02:44:34		 　 ハザクラHazakura mmmm, I don't remember which one was the first. I had a retelling of Journey to the Center of the Earth and that...other one with Nautilus, I forgot what's it called in English
150 07月11日
02:44:40		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar it was an ok book tho. unique approach to an apocalypse
151 07月11日
02:44:59		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea?
152 07月11日
02:45:03		 　 Ved I haven't read Journey, but it sounds like it'd be fun.
153 07月11日
02:45:09		 　 Ved That era of pulp fiction has its charm.
154 07月11日
02:45:16		 　 ハザクラHazakura ahh yeah that one
155 07月11日
02:45:46		 　 ハザクラHazakura the one I read was a simplified version for younger readers
156 07月11日
02:45:50		 　 Ved Frankenstein was my favorite high school assignment.
157 07月11日
02:46:16		 　 Ved I don't know if it's because of formal schooling, but I kind of grew up despising "The Great American Novels."
158 07月11日
02:46:21		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar My FAVORITE novel is Lacuna by Barbara Kingsolver. Every page I read I was like "he is just like me fr fr" It changed my views. 100% recommend
159 07月11日
02:46:48		 　 Ved So I just dislike The Great Gatsby and Death of the Salesmen.
160 07月11日
02:46:53		 　 ハザクラHazakura I want to revisit them in their original version but I can't read 20k leagues anymore after developing thalassaphobia
161 07月11日
02:46:53		 　 Ved Glengarry Glen Ross
162 07月11日
02:47:05		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar and now that i think of it, the mc was a lot like grampire too
163 07月11日
02:47:16		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Thank you, I should start a list.
164 07月11日
02:47:40		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved what kinds of books do u prefer?
165 07月11日
02:47:46		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura I recommend the game Subnautica even if you have thasslophobia. Or maybe especially because you have it.
166 07月11日
02:48:04		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar I have weeb brainrot, so nowadays? Light novels. But generally, I'm fond of pulpy fantasy.
167 07月11日
02:48:23		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar So I enjoy stuff like Robert E. Howard's Conan or the Princess of Mars series.
168 07月11日
02:48:33		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Lovecraft. You get my point.
169 07月11日
02:48:34		 　 poliutko Subnautica is great, just don't touch the second one...
170 07月11日
02:48:38		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Definitely recommend Earthsea.
171 07月11日
02:48:43		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Wpuld u like snarky mc who outsmarts people and comes on top?
172 07月11日
02:49:07		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Not specifically, but a lot of pulp heroes aren't exactly high heroic good guys.
173 07月11日
02:49:19		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar ok earthsea in my TBR
174 07月11日
02:49:37		 　 Ved Ursula LeGuin is underrated.
175 07月11日
02:49:53		 　 ハザクラHazakura @Ved oh god no I avoid every single Subnautica streamsdeep sea levels in games scares me
176 07月11日
02:49:53		 　 Ved I've never seen an author do that kind of worldbuilding and characterization in something like 200 pages.
177 07月11日
02:50:08		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar There is a fantasy series called Guide On How To Lay Siege To a City. i recommend
178 07月11日
02:50:20		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura Subnautica is a masterpiece. I've never seen anybody hate the game.
179 07月11日
02:50:36		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura There's something to be said about it capturing the terror of the sublime.
180 07月11日
02:50:45		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar mc is an engineer who uses his brain to fortify his city against an incoming aiege
181 07月11日
02:51:08		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura The "sublime" is the feeling of awe at the overwhelming insignificance of Man in the face of nature. It's not Lovecraftian.
182 07月11日
02:51:49		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura But that mixture of fear and respect is something hard to explain. Where you fall out of your selfish worldview and revel in the intellectual appreciation of something more third-person.
183 07月11日
02:52:10		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I am imgining vesper lurking here and watching us discuss books
184 07月11日
02:52:21		 　 Ved Subnautica has a very Taoist theme too. Going with the flow rather than agains tit.
185 07月11日
02:52:21		 　 ハザクラHazakura but very....graphic? tbh I do better with lovecraftian horrors as long as it's on the surface, but sea environment itself is too anxiety inducing
186 07月11日
02:52:26		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar and silently approving this discourse
187 07月11日
02:52:58		 　 Ved It's how I feel when I think about space.
188 07月11日
02:53:04		 　 Ved Jupiter terrifies me for example. Like as a concept.
189 07月11日
02:53:12		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Hazakura You shpuld read the Southern Reach Trilogy. lovecraftian, trippy and strange
190 07月11日
02:53:28		 　 Ved The notion of a planet where it's so hot that the weather patterns *rain molten rock* is kind of cool to me.
191 07月11日
02:53:30		 　 ハザクラHazakura the fear of feeling so small and weak among something so vast, full of things we don't know is exactly what scares me
192 07月11日
02:53:35		 　 Ved Stuff like that.
193 07月11日
02:53:55		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura *snaps* Right. Outer Wilds does the same thing.
194 07月11日
02:54:20		 　 ハザクラHazakura Ajinkya, huh I'll check that out later, thanks for the recommendation
195 07月11日
02:54:24		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura Nature might be secular and it has no moral purpose that involves you. It's its own thing. But you love and fear it for that.
196 07月11日
02:54:50		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura And want to explore it. That kind of thing. I imagine its how ancient mariners felt about the sea.
197 07月11日
02:54:57		 　 ハザクラHazakura that's why I can't watch the Outer Wilds streams lol, as much as I want to bcs that game sounds amazing
198 07月11日
02:55:32		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I find it really....sort of unbelievable that Milky way has over 20 satellite galaxies
199 07月11日
02:55:34		 　 Ved Still, I hope you see my point.
200 07月11日
02:55:44		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar like....idk it feels soooo surreal
201 07月11日
02:56:04		 　 Ved Yeah, cool isn't it?
202 07月11日
02:56:14		 　 Ciro Souza I hope vespie is ok
203 07月11日
02:56:20		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar one of the satellite galaxies is closer to earth than earth is to the galactic core
204 07月11日
02:56:48		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar In prepper, spear master old men we trust. he will be ok
205 07月11日
02:57:27		 　 Ciro Souza vespeeeeer be ok spear old man
206 07月11日
02:57:28		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Imagine Maglord buying one spear for each hand
207 07月11日
02:57:41		 　 Ved I'll be tickled if Vesper takes up the martial arts.
208 07月11日
02:57:58		 　 Ved I dabbled a bit in sparring with spears, and it's somehow both simple but hard at the same time
209 07月11日
02:58:18		 　 Ved Have to tighten up the motions and accept it's kind of dumb.
210 07月11日
02:58:22		 　 ハザクラHazakura @Ved yeah, I kinda get the feeling of awe witnessing something so...big. mesmerizing but incomprehensible. I do better with space but deep sea I just can't (for now)
211 07月11日
02:58:40		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar he certainly looks like someone who cpuld master martial arts. all that is getting in his way is his crippling social awkwardness
212 07月11日
02:58:51		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura That's fair. I wish I had more to say. But Subnautica was the last game where I felt like a child just having fun.
213 07月11日
02:59:05		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura And wasn't just going, "Oh, this formula again."
214 07月11日
02:59:16		 　 Ved @ハザクラHazakura Kind of like the villain of Ratatouille eating that dish at the end.
215 07月11日
02:59:37		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i have never played games before. only shadow fight on phone lmao
216 07月11日
03:00:07		 　 Ved Sadge.
217 07月11日
03:01:20		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar my parents, teachers, media, neighbors hammered "game bad, book good." into us for 20 years. so i inadvertently have begun hating the prospect of playing things myself
218 07月11日
03:01:24		 　 Ved BTW, lol. I kind of get why Vesper would want to get himself killed hugging a penguin.
219 07月11日
03:01:52		 　 Ved Honestly, if he graduation streamed himself through starlink getting eaten by a Polar Bear, I'd respect it.
220 07月11日
03:02:26		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Ah. To that, I have to point out that movies and novels used to be considered trashy media.
221 07月11日
03:02:50		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Penguins can be strange. i read a case of a penguin getting attracted to a scientist, singing to him. thinking he had found the perfect girl for himself
222 07月11日
03:02:54		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Now they're considered high art. But the problem with art is that captive students make poor students. Fun is important.
223 07月11日
03:03:27		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar And my opinion about art is that art is just self-expression. Everything else is just an opinion about the self-expression.
224 07月11日
03:03:45		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i begun reading thanks to that mindset so at least i got something positive out of it
225 07月11日
03:03:50		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar There's nothing wrong with art having a "message" but I find it vaguely pretentious personally.
226 07月11日
03:04:11		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar Yeah art can exist solely for fun
227 07月11日
03:04:37		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar "i felt like drawing this cat. no there is no deep message behind it"
228 07月11日
03:04:52		 　 Ved I mean more that it's easier to enjoy art if you just find reasons to enjoy it, not because people tell you that you should consume it.
229 07月11日
03:05:01		 　 Ved Because it's "good for you."
230 07月11日
03:05:07		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar ah yes. i agree
231 07月11日
03:05:17		 　 Ved Not because it's supposed to be "good for you."
232 07月11日
03:05:43		 　 Ved I never identified myself as artist, so it's easier to see this from an outsider perspective.
233 07月11日
03:05:55		 　 Ved And I think that was beneficial to me.
234 07月11日
03:06:34		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I began hating drawing after 8th grade because my art teachers forced us to draw certain things to get passing grades. rinse and repeat for 3 more years and i never picked up the brush ever again
235 07月11日
03:06:59		 　 Ved Lots of artists wallow in self-hate because they didn't make a masterpiece that redefined culture for the next 1000 years.
236 07月11日
03:07:00		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved good to hear that
237 07月11日
03:07:12		 　 Ved Hmm, how do I put it.
238 07月11日
03:07:29		 　 Ved I started fencing almost 5 years ago.
239 07月11日
03:07:36		 　 Ved Maybe 6 or 7?
240 07月11日
03:07:59		 　 Ved Technique is objectively measurable.
241 07月11日
03:08:08		 　 Ved What you want to do with technique is subjective.
242 07月11日
03:08:26		 　 Ved A lot of hard work you put into your passion is not romantic or sexy, but must be done.
243 07月11日
03:08:38		 　 Ved I find that there is no field in life where this is avoidable.
244 07月11日
03:09:07		 　 Ved The trap is that most people fall into the belief they're just defined by their field and so never want to leave the comfort zone to explore another.
245 07月11日
03:09:24		 　 Ved Because people hate being amateeurs all over again, but the fundamentals can never be ignored.
246 07月11日
03:10:08		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar True.I had a similar experience with drums, taught the motions. told to do my own thing and then getting beat down because the Judging Committee of Arts didn't find it revolutionary.
247 07月11日
03:10:31		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar they chose to ignore the oarticipants efforts and their strong base techniques
248 07月11日
03:10:35		 　 Ved That's my point. Discard the idea of "revolutionizing."
249 07月11日
03:10:39		 　 Ved Do the work.
250 07月11日
03:10:56		 　 Ved If you have a reason to enjoy the work despite how painful it can be sometimes, you'll keep at it.
251 07月11日
03:11:13		 　 Ved That's the problem with artists, they try to be special.
252 07月11日
03:11:28		 　 Ved And then hate themselves because they aren't.
253 07月11日
03:11:28		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar "This is bland and you shouldn't continue playing this instrument." I remember those words even now. so yeah...i stopped playing
254 07月11日
03:11:59		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeah it sucks when your own mindset beats u down like that
255 07月11日
03:12:27		 　 Ved Hmm.
256 07月11日
03:12:43		 　 Ved Well, I've run out of things to say on the subject.
257 07月11日
03:13:35		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar ok lets shift over to something else
258 07月11日
03:14:01		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar have u guys ever written an original story or done worldbuilding
259 07月11日
03:14:13		 　 Ved No, would like to though.
260 07月11日
03:14:14		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar or even fanfic
261 07月11日
03:14:46		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I am currently doing 2 art and WB projects for fun
262 07月11日
03:15:24		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar no intention for releasing it or making a wiki but just for my own satisfaction
263 07月11日
03:17:17		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved if u ever dabble into that what genre would u delve in?
264 07月11日
03:17:58		 　 Ved Oh it's not complicated. I just wanted to run a Dark Heresy game. (40K TTRPG where you start out as Acolytes for the Inquistion.)
265 07月11日
03:18:08		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar ah cool
266 07月11日
03:18:40		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar 40k is nice. i am currently reading The Road. and plan to read Gaunt's Ghosts after that
267 07月11日
03:20:33		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i have heard great things about Gaunts Ghosts
268 07月11日
03:21:37		 　 Ved Same, but it didn't hit with me the same way. Maybe i am getting old.
269 07月11日
03:22:31		 　 Ved Dan Abnett wrote those and I think his later work in Horus Rising and Know No Fear was good.
270 07月11日
03:23:05		 　 Ved I feel like I like the later career Abnett more than his earlier experiments in Eisenhorn or Gaunt.
271 07月11日
03:23:40		 　 Ved I thought Horus Rising was gold, but I'm probably weird like that.
272 07月11日
03:24:08		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i think it is a pretty good book
273 07月11日
03:24:31		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar but i have heard not so stellar things about false gods
274 07月11日
03:24:56		 　 Ved Oh I hated the sequels.
275 07月11日
03:25:02		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar anyway i am not too concerned about the book order as i am already aware of all the lore
276 07月11日
03:25:11		 　 Ved Horus Rising is like a tee-up.
277 07月11日
03:25:26		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i can pretty much skip to galaxy in flames or eisenstein
278 07月11日
03:25:34		 　 Ved And at the time, I don't think Games Workshop thought 30K would be so popular. It was more of a miniseries.
279 07月11日
03:26:01		 　 Ved But by itself, I thought Horus Rising was stupidly good for what it was.
280 07月11日
03:26:16		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar yeh. horus heresy came to being cuz they didn't want to make different models to cut costs
281 07月11日
03:26:47		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar funny how great things get born thanks to really mundane reasons
282 07月11日
03:26:50		 　 Ved I dunno, there's something fun about the idea of gods having human flaws and cocking it up.
283 07月11日
03:27:05		 　 Ved I liked old Magic: The Gathering lore for this reason.
284 07月11日
03:27:29		 　 Ved If you don't know, the idea behind MTG is that you're a planeswalker, a kind of magician who can walk betweeen worlds.
285 07月11日
03:27:30		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar i am unaware of MTG lore maybe i will read up on it
286 07月11日
03:27:42		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar cool
287 07月11日
03:27:58		 　 Olivia Kim What is going on? Is he ok?
288 07月11日
03:28:11		 　 Ved Yeah the old planeswalkers are basically demigods who have normal human flaws. And Wizards nerfed them to being "normal" magicians who could happen to walk between dimensions.
289 07月11日
03:28:13		 　 Olivia Kim I mean… is he alive?
290 07月11日
03:28:18		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar he and magni just cant stream for some reason thats all we know
291 07月11日
03:28:26		 　 Ved My guess is . . . probably?
292 07月11日
03:28:57		 　 Olivia Kim So no news? No tweets?
293 07月11日
03:29:07		 　 Olivia Kim
294 07月11日
03:29:08		 　 Ved There's no guarantees, but my best guess this is a nothingburger, they're fine.
295 07月11日
03:29:11		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved so does each card game go through a plotline kind if like how different rpg campaigns of 40k are set in major events
296 07月11日
03:29:28		 　 ハザクラHazakura there's official announcement from company, but not on their twitters
297 07月11日
03:29:31		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Well different set expansions do.
298 07月11日
03:29:42		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar sounds nice
299 07月11日
03:29:54		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar So pretty much yeah. There's even a Japanese cyberpunk setting.
300 07月11日
03:30:05		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar The idea is that they're all connected in a multiverse.
301 07月11日
03:30:33		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar Oldwalkers are fun because they were magicians who were god-like but who had personality flaws of ordrinary humans. Kind of like 40K primarchs.
302 07月11日
03:30:42		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar its most probably a logistical kerfuffle. i wont worry too much except for loss of electronics which itself isnt that good either
303 07月11日
03:30:51		 　 Ved @Ajinkya Tarodekar So I kind of hate the new-walkers for that reason.
304 07月11日
03:31:01		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved Nice i will read about this tomorrow
305 07月11日
03:31:13		 　 Ved Yeah my opinion is niche.
306 07月11日
03:31:21		 　 Ved I wouldn't hold my breath finding it in a wiki
307 07月11日
03:31:30		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I forgot to tell this
308 07月11日
03:31:37		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I also make conlangs
309 07月11日
03:32:05		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar which is quite niche i guess?
310 07月11日
03:32:10		 　 Ved Wizards decided the oldwalkers were unrelatable so they nefed them.
311 07月11日
03:32:20		 　 Ved I have no idea what that is
312 07月11日
03:32:38		 　 Ved Oh. Googled it.
313 07月11日
03:32:42		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar @Ved ah good old WOTC. making bad decisionz
314 07月11日
03:33:00		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I have 2 WIP conlangs.
315 07月11日
03:35:19		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar I would say both are halfway there?
316 07月11日
03:38:30		 　 Ved Sorry, it was a fun convo, but I derailed Vesper's chat.
317 07月11日
03:38:49		 　 Ved But I should got detox and I have an overlapping streamer I intend to watch.
318 07月11日
03:43:20		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar goodbye have fun
319 07月11日
04:41:16		 　 Sakura Mikage I'm catching up a bit and I can't believe I missed penguin talks. My favorite animal
320 07月11日
04:49:18		 　 Boombot Im going thru some major grandpa withdrawls. I hope hes able to come back soon.
321 07月11日
04:55:39		 　 Grilled Cheese Yall see the twitter notice?
322 07月11日
04:56:42		 　 Kaleria Sadly, yes.
323 07月11日
05:05:35		 　 Dr. Krimson I really wish those notices gave more information.
324 07月11日
05:25:45		 　 MoreCoffeeDude hope they're okay
325 07月11日
05:28:25		 　 KayKay I keep coming back hereit's like checking the empty fridge for the 10th time as if you expect food to magically appear
326 07月11日
05:30:49		 　 KayKay I'M A WRECK
327 07月11日
05:38:24		 　 BOWSERXER right after 2.0 man
328 07月11日
05:54:40		 　 Sakura Mikage *hugs for @KayKay * It'll be okay homie.
329 07月11日
06:30:39		 　 zanard Vesties, stay strong, all right?
330 07月11日
06:32:37		 　 Ephona stay strong Vesties
331 07月11日
06:32:57		 　 Ephona we all got this together
332 07月11日
06:55:37		 　 KayKay sakuuu
333 07月11日
07:06:11		 　 Drad_ so was Ves the one operating Mag...?
334 07月11日
07:13:33		 　 CattoFoxu Grandpa, please be safe
335 07月11日
08:37:36		 　 ChiLLver🍤
336 07月11日
08:44:10		 　 Chalksy
337 07月11日
08:45:57		 　 つづける
338 07月11日
08:51:33		 　 Tengu Vyes
339 07月11日
08:55:32		 　 Simple
340 07月11日
09:06:44		 　 リュイ
341 07月11日
09:47:47		 　 ඞ Watotodile🏆🔎
342 07月11日
10:36:37		 　 Claire Hsu ngl this is the next day and I still feel badcould use some more hug
343 07月11日
10:49:40		 　 juni
344 07月11日
11:11:28		 　 Ved
345 07月11日
11:11:41		 　 Jocelyn
346 07月11日
11:17:26		 　 KayKay come back soon oji
347 07月11日
11:23:56		 　 CattoFoxu We are waiting for you gramp
348 07月11日
11:33:59		 　 horse appreciator
349 07月11日
11:38:39		 　 Stacey?! we love you Vesper.
350 07月11日
11:59:39		 　 Sachan we miss you pops
351 07月11日
12:05:30		 　 Akaishi Hideo we will waiting for you, pops
352 07月11日
12:10:12		 　 Cadian Guardsman what is he gonna buy now
353 07月11日
12:37:51		 　 Sakura Mikage Good night hugs for my fellow Vesties. Will pop in to chat some tomorrow
354 07月11日
12:38:04		 　 Ariston We miss you, Nowa-oji!
355 07月11日
13:24:24		 　 Joe-Lightning
356 07月11日
13:26:04		 　 ハザクラHazakura imma cry (moderately) from time to time here. stay strong vesties
357 07月11日
13:42:18		 　 wattsxi Scheduled for dec 31 2024...... uh...... guys? ;_;
358 07月11日
14:00:36		 　 Earthzooka The chatting room opens until the latest they can possibly set it, and they only moves the day every so often. This is 100% normal occurrence.
359 07月11日
14:04:35		 　 ScopeK it's a free space, it's meant to be that long.
360 07月11日
14:16:28		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar hello i am here to again ask you guys to listen to Shinigami
361 07月11日
14:16:51		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar we need to read 300k before grampa returns
362 07月11日
14:23:44		 　 Earthzooka I will be doing my part. Also, screw you, I'm going for 301k
363 07月11日
15:32:17		 　 E7 wryyyy
364 07月11日
15:34:27		 　 Tengu Vyes Oh yeah, Vesper's cover song of Shinigami is pretty good!
365 07月11日
16:45:52		 　 hidan blood gift of Granpire is 300k? alrighty then
366 07月11日
16:57:43		 　 Elok.艾洛克🌵
367 07月11日
19:56:39		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar 300k on shinigami
368 07月11日
20:00:54		 　 Ajinkya Tarodekar if at least 6000 vesties listened to it once, we would read the goal
369 07月11日
20:15:18		 　 ハザクラHazakura or several vesties looping it for few days straight?
370 07月11日
20:46:52		 　 Ameseraph Daily good vibes: Hope you're taking care of yourself gramps!!!!! :)
371 07月11日
21:09:10		 　 Noonenotme
372 07月11日
21:34:02		 　 KayKay M-morning...vesties......
373 07月11日
21:39:20		 　 mudcchi gramps i miss you. i hope you're doing well and safe rn...........
374 07月11日
21:41:55		 　 Galeophobia
375 07月11日
21:46:17		 　 ハザクラHazakura *sobbing moderately in the corner*
376 07月11日
22:11:11		 　 The Mad Tinkerer Man, I hope Vesper and Magni are all right...
377 07月11日
22:26:52		 　 boyaaaaaaaah
378 07月11日
22:47:11		 　 Boombot I miss peepaw and eek man. I hope they are ok.